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Oh, if only I could post all the videos I wanted on alfrankenweb...

Like this one.

I've seen some flat-out lies that makes even me do a double take that goes way beyond WMDs. Try to find some broadcasts around the time of the Afghan invasion.

that make you do a double take? oh my god!! What is this world coming to when TRN does a double take on lies by BushCo?!

and I hope you know that I was being sarcastic. If not, then I'm concerned for your mental health. If so, then I'm glad you at least have some sort of a brain

There was a video shown on CNN and I assume DumFox Noose during the Push For Baghdad, Ninja,

Maybe you can find an archive of it somewhere, but I sure as fuck can't, CNN and the agency that shot the video (AP? don't know)
Pulled any mention of it as soon as sharp eyed and question-everything folks started publishing a rebuttal of it.

The Marines raid this refinery, there is a press release that they "might have" found the Nerve Gas, the camera crews go in, there are about a zillion rusted out oil drums in such bad repair that US oil refineries wouldn't use them for anything but to be recycled. They are sitting in stacks, or on stacks of pallets, but these aren't the focus of the announcement,

There are all these powder blue oil drums, very new, SITTING ON THE DIRT FLOOR very important point, which supposedly contain the nerve agents.

Other very important points

1) a 55 gallon drum ( full ) weighs just under 480 pounds.

2) the Iraqi army was chock full of half trained draftees, mostly under 20 and a whole lot of them under 18

3) Nerve gas needs to be handled very very gently, and even in the US with highly trained professionals handling our massive stockpiles, accidents happen.

4) The Bushiites were making the ridiculous claims that Saddam had 500 tons of nerve gas, meaning a MILLION pounds, that were supposedly being moved around by said draftees from point #2, on a daily and sometimes hourly basis

5) in the most heavily populated areas of Iraq without killing a whole fuck of a lot of people.

6) did I mention that these 480 lb monsters were sitting on a dirt floor? I plumb reckon I did.

7) in an oil refinery there is constantly soot drifting over everything. A barrel doesn't remain shiny new looking for more than a couple of days.

8} (had to modify the parenthesis captioning, because 8 parenthesis makes ) Coalition of the Killing forces were hounding the draftees from point #2 on a daily basis, so how the fuck were they able to stack these things one by one, without the usual method of putting them on pallets, then filling them, sealing them, and then using a hopped up forklift to stack the pallets.

9) #2 draftees were mostly underfed skinny kids, who would not be able to manipulate that many 480 pound barrels in that short a time even if they weren't under constant fire.

10 The lettering on the side of the barrels was in English, even though Iraq had not been exporting to or importing from any English speaking country for 11 years anything in a 480 pound drum.


Ninja, if you can locate that video, THAT would be something really important to post.


The setup of Osama as a target reminds one of 1984 with the antagonist to Big Brother, Goldberg.

or the Red who is under Every Bed.

The guy who Wolfowitz follows, Strauss? is that his name? uses the same ideology expressed in the Capitalist Dystopia Brave New World, to describe the Corporate Morality of running the peoples' lives as the corporation sees fit.

The NeoCons put that book down as pornography.

But there is a scene near the end, Bernard and Savage John are talking in the office of the Director of World Hatcheries, the director is giving them an almost word for word mirror of the arguments put out by the NeoCons, to justify outright brainwashing from before the people were even born, as necessary for the good of all society.

gee I wonder what they REALLY object to about that book?

Yeah. And now they are IN the white house. If Al Qaeda is synonymous with terror I think the bush admin fits the bill better than bin Laden.

okay, rightie wingnuts, do your worst. fuck you. it's true.

You know, as radical as it sounds that Bush is a terrorist, it's partially true.

He doesn't commit acts of violence to instill terror, but the Bush administration purposefully created fear and paranoia about Islamic Extremists and Iraq to further their political agendas.

The media was all too compliant, not realizing until it was way too late that they were being lied to. But hey, it made for good ratings, so why bother debunking what our government says?

There's nothing in the definition of Terrorism that states that you must commit violent acts to become a terrorist. As long as you use fear as a political tool, you're technically a terrorist.

Bush, under that broad definition of terrorism, is without doubt a terrorist.

But when Jo Smo hears, "Bush is a Terrorist," they think some left-wing moonbat says that Bush uses war the same way militant muslims use car bombs. That's not what we are saying, but there is something to be said about the effectiveness of using violence to curb violence.

I’m sorry.

I’ve read and re-read this thread.

But this sounds like the granddaddy of conspiracy theories.

Not quite.

There's no conspiracy theory.

Everything I mentioned can be fact-checked via a quick trip over to wikipedia.

What a world in which we live when verifiable facts are called "the granddaddy of conspiracy theories."

In any respect, please, disprove me. I welcome any corrections or factual information you can point me to.

actually Bush and Co. DID cross the line when they described their Iraq strategy as one of Shock and Awe, in other words, plain words, they were using fear as a weapon of war.

The theory was that the "rag heads" would be so impressed by our highly advanced and extremely destructive weapons technology that they would drop their primitive arms and surrender to Our Highly Advanced Civilization.

But what is your point?

A rose by any other name is not a rose?

“Al Qaeda” is an arbitrary name, therefore no threat exist from the likes of Bin Laden, his associates and their stated goals?

You are telling me the entire Western world is chasing a myth. A ghost made up by Neocon linguistics.

So if we dismiss the word “Al Qaeda”, I assume all our troubles go away.

If that works for you, fine.

I don't understand your point.

First, I reject your premise that the Western world is chasing Al Qaeda.

But by in large, much of what I believe the average American thinks of terrorism is a myth. It's not a "lie," but a mythology popularized by the media and the administration.

Terrorism is an overblown threat, as evidenced by how Al Qaeda is perceived by the public.



Today, we live in a culture of fear. Many of these fears assist in shaping our government's policies. I believe it's important for people to understand that they are not in danger. Al Qaeda, despite what you might have seen on the news, doesn't pose any real threat against America.

The 9/11 attackers worked pretty much by themselves without a large and sinister organization pulling the strings. Indeed, while terrorism is a never-ending struggle, America has already won the war on terror.

I think you've just dismissed your own premise!

Explain!

Al Qaeda or whatever islamic religious geopolitical factions are allied together to get America, the fact remains that in reality, Bushco in its incredible hubris and incompetence has actually increased 10 fold or many times more than ten fold, the numbers of those that see America as the "Great Satan" since Bush/Cheney invaded Iraq based on lies and misdirection.

Sunni Arabs that make up the foreign force that is labelled Al Qaeda in Iraq have found a reluctant but numerous and well funded ally among the Sunni Iraqis.

In Afganistan the Taliban (the mother of Al Qaeda) is gaining territory and tribal allies and the US partnership with Afgan Drug Lords has made them rich and Afganistan the source of 85% of the worlds heroin supply thanks to the policies of; yes you guessed it, our idiotic neo con puppet George aka "The Chimp" Bush.

Your cute!

And I like you!

But you got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy!

It's your premise, you 'splain it!

Because they hate us for our freedom, right!?

On a more serious note, that's the myth I'm trying to expose with this thread. There's no creditable threat out to "get" America.

Anyway...



We are safe!